Publishing Goblin's Oracle Dice, 2nd Edition

Publishing Goblin's Oracle Dice, 2nd Edition

The 22nd Lord & Die | Help me decide the 22nd die!
2 months ago
by Publishing Goblin, LLC
Hello everyone!

Before I go too far with the 22nd Lord and all that, let's take a look at one of the final Lords coming in from czarfunkle!

There are just a few Lords you haven't seen-- The Alleyman, The Showman, and.... They Who Hunger.



They Who Hunger preside over the Longings Die, and they know longing intimately. Desire for touch, to be seen, for change, for movement, for anything out of reach. When you wish to know what is missing, what people desire in a reading, you include their die. And when their card comes up? Someone is starved-- but for what? That is the key question, isn't it?

I pushed czarfunkle to the edge with all the hands, but so it goes! I love hands in art, and artists hate to illustrate so many hands! 


The 22nd Lord & Die


So now, what I'm here to ask! Over this week we've seen money come in on the project, but about 2/3rds of backers on here have done their surveys and about 1/3rd of those people included extra add-ons. Considering this in total with how much we have to go in order to hit $300,000, I think we're likely to get about 260,000 before it peters out and we end at most. That's not going to be our 300,000, huh?

But that's okay! I'm including the 22nd die anyways, and we're picking some of the key parts of it together right here, right now.

The 22nd die is the Chaos Die.

In the comments below, I'd like to see your suggestions for two elements of the die! Then I will read these tonight and tomorrow, and on Saturday I will post a poll (or two polls if I can?) for us to vote to the final answers!

Question 1: Who is the Lord of the Chaos Die?
I've had people suggest the darned Happy Squirrel, and I think it could be fun to have a wild chaotic entity made up of parts of various things, or some eldritch horror. But I'm open to anyone's thoughts on who should be the lord of Chaos! In your answers, please feel free to name them with a title (like the other Lords-- instead of Loki for example, The Trickster would work), and explain who they are/how they look! I will take an assortment of these answers from you all to the poll Saturday.

Question 2: What are the die faces of the Chaos Die?
The Fate die of the original set is what I'm thinking about. With faces that make you remove the nearest die, and consider the implications of it missing-- faces that make you re-roll some dice-- faces that make you move the nearest die to the core of the reading-- etc. All in all, it makes changes to the reading, moves dice, and changes meanings. I'd consider a die face that makes you consider the nearest die in its opposite meaning-- or maybe if it's in the core it does that to everything! So many chaotic options. I'd love to see all your ideas. In your answers, I am looking for any number (1-infinity) of die face options. On Saturday, I will do a Google Form poll with the top 15 or so options, so that you can pick multiple when you vote in the end!

Thanks all!

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user avatar image for Anonymous Bluejay #2013884
2 months ago

Another BIG NO for the Happy Squirrel from me! I'm sorry, but I have always detested that card, and I hate it even more as a Lord!! However, I will say I do like the Void Lord idea other people have suggested. To me, that seems more in line with the spirit of the Dice and would bring them all together flawlessly. Because it could encompassing of all the personalities/attributes of the other Lords while being its own independent entity. A Void to me looks like one of the Obsidian Scrying mirrors. Where people can both reflect deeper into themselves, for good or bad and can ponder other people/things.

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Daz
2 months ago

Ideas for The 22nd Lord's name: The Void The Voidcaller / The Void Caller The Scoundrel The Everything The Nothing The Everything (and/or) Nothing The All or Nothing Face ideas: Flip the nearest or farthest die to its opposite face Trade places of the dice closest to and furthest from the core Roll a d6. Flip that many dice to the opposite face. (Roll the dice on a clear surface on top of the cloth, such as a glass, resin, or fiberglass plate or simply a clear tablecloth.) Rotate the clear surface - and therefore the entire roll/reading - 90° on the cloth.

user avatar image for A. Mandible
2 months ago

I admit that I also don't groove with the Happy Squirrel. Not exactly because it's an in-joke (that's okay) or a Simpsons reference in-joke (that show's pretty okay too) but because it's a tarot in-joke. I love how relatively independent the lords and other imagery are from the divination systems I already know best! I love a lot of the super original ideas people are posting here, and would probably vote for any of them over the squirrel just because of that independence.

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Kay
2 months ago

This is exactly what I was trying to get at. Tarot in joke, feels out of place, better to have something reworked to fit this separate, unique mythology.

user avatar image for Imara Oco
2 months ago

Is it cheating to add another idea? How about Ocean, the Mother of us all? From whence we came and to whom we all return. Creator/Destroyer. Constantly changing. I'd LOVE to see a Lord card of her!! She always pull you in and pushes you out--sometimes in a different shape than when you entered. She changes everything she works on. Appearing near another die: destroys its influence, magnifies its influence, changes it to its opposite, tosses it to a different quadrant, causes it to remain where it is, even after another throw--all dependent on which face shows.

user avatar image for Wood Duck Phsychosis
2 months ago

Raven of the Lost (or Discord of the Lost) The next generation, a child of but 8 or 9 yrs, there is no containing her. Her feet barefoot always, often muddied, purple dress torn from playing with the wind, trees and creatures unknown, she wears a red sash about her waist. Her head crowned with a unruly mass of feathers and hair, thick, black and glossy as the Darkest Raven. She embodies the Chaotic Nature of the Lost Childe, raised by the Elements, touched by the Fae, unaffected by paradox, Unbound, she cares not for Order and moves like no Other. Silver-toned laughter and mischievous giggles linger like dew for honeyed ears in majestic court corridors. Things get knocked over in her wake. Everybody loves a bit of Chaos now and then! It is in Chaos' nature to have an effect on the game-board:) Effect- Dice indicated on the die face to be turned to the opposite side. Disruption will enter or originate from where the dice lands. Can roll a d6 to find out how many dice are affected. Face Ideas! 1. spring, summer, autumn, winter (a seedling, a sunflower, falling leaf, bare twig) 2. mind, body, matter, spirit. (symbolic air/wind or brain, the Virtruvian Man, caduceus staff, flower of life). 3. 4 Directional arrows indicating the direction of the effect. Dice in the same quadrant and in the direction of the arrow should be flipped. with other two sides something else like- 4. Bulls eye or radar for circular target for effect originating from wherever the die lands. Roll a d6 for how many dice affected. 5. A 42 degree angle (and/or other angles), shaded indicating direction and spread of effect. 6. A feather, Raven's touch is light here, silvery toned laughter is all you hear, no dice move.

user avatar image for Anonymous Cardinal #1168509
2 months ago

I had two ideas for the Chaos Die's Lord The Unrelenting Void - Based on the traditional Greek belief of chaos being a void from whence all creation arose. This lord might take on an amorphous appearance; perhaps faceless. The Unrelenting void cannot be contained and their influence ripples throughout all existence. Dust that was once settled finds itself altered in the presence of this Lord. Nothing in the Cosmos is out of reach. The Unheard - Sometimes the quietest voice in the room is the wisest. This lord is an elder whose face cannot be seen, perhaps cloaked, trying to tell you something important but the rest of the voices in the room (the other lords) are too loud. The Unheard tries to tell you how the half-truths and twisted messages of the other lords should be interpreted to reach the truth.

user avatar image for Jenks
2 months ago

Piggybacking off of someone else's idea that I can no longer find anymore: The Unmanned Throne. If the other Lords each represent their own form of order, then the embodiment of Chaos would be an empty throne.

user avatar image for Rocket Surgeon
2 months ago

I like this idea, but would prefer The Empty Throne.

user avatar image for Jenks
2 months ago

Empty Throne also good. Better, actually. Just the concept of a throne with no one on it.

user avatar image for Celticswan
2 months ago

I like several ideas and have made some comments on them. I might make another comment later, but I don't want horror.

user avatar image for the Big Xanadu
2 months ago

Okay, so Trickster is a great way to go, especially since it's such a resounding archetype of human mythology. But I, personally, associate 3 main entities most strongly with the word "chaos": Eris, Geek Goddess of Discord - best represented in 'Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas' Discord, Spirit of Chaos and Disharmony - from My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic The Joker, Clown Prince of Crime - greatest antagonist to the Batman. Of course you have all the various Trickster beings from around the world and most Eldritch horrors are pretty chaotic, but those are just the three I think of immediately. I suggest a Lord comprised of these things. A beautiful Goddess, styled as the Joker (green hair, white skin, red lips, wide unnerving smile or laugh, purple and orange in her robes), and she'd be entwined with a dragon-like chimera. Perhaps, each face of the die could be one of the famous Trickster creatures of the world: spider, coyote, snake, etc. And each of these animals can be represented in a limb or component of the Chimera. Their meanings can be a combined influence of both the animal and its corresponding body part on the dragon. For the name... I kinda just like, "the Clown Prince". It's simple, but gets the point across, especially chaotic in giving a male title to a female figure.

user avatar image for the Big Xanadu
2 months ago

Or maybe even simpler? "DisHarmony". Either way, one last element to include is to have her wearing a Loki crown. I don't actually associate him too strongly with chaos, but if we're talking Tricksters then he should be represented.

user avatar image for Jennifer Bisson
2 months ago

Consider me team squirrel...though I also love the idea of having the faces be different animals/figures of chaos (from various mythologies), in which case the Lord might be an overcoat with all the critters inside (and whichever face you roll is the head you can see leading the rest for a bit) I'm not really a fan of having a child as the Lord...I don't think children are truly chaotic (they are just very impulse driven...but their impulses have logic based on what stimuli the child has been exposed to). From the original Fates dice, I enjoyed most of the faces, though I found Clockwise a bit tedious (too much moving stuff), and the 14 point star was really unusable to me (okay it was usable, but I never remember what each die causes it to do, so it's constantly looking up what I have to do for it, which is tedious) Both of these I just feel were almost too many moving parts...too much to remember/do. I think it might be fun to have a topsy-turvey face, where you have to flip another die/dice (so literally turn a die so it's top facing face is now on the bottom and what was on the bottom is revealed) Or a tilt face, where you turn the top of a die so that side is now facing towards the Chaos die (like it was tipped towards the Chaos). It might be neat to have a "this is not the right tool for the job" face, where you pack up your dice and pick another divining method to use to get your answers. Or alternatively an "I need more input" face, where you leave the dice as they are but grab another diviniation tool to layer with the dice (draw a card, use a pendulum, cast some charms...whatever floats your boat). To take a note from dexterity games, you could have a face where you have to flick the Chaos die at another die (the nearest, the farthest, the one that would put the most dice inbetween) If you want to get really crazy, you could have a face that tells you to grab the reading cloth by the corners, give it a shake, then plonk it back on the table (though that would require that everyone using the die had a cloth...so maybe not lol)