Publishing Goblin's Oracle Dice, 2nd Edition

Publishing Goblin's Oracle Dice, 2nd Edition

The 22nd Lord & Die | Help me decide the 22nd die!
4 months ago
by Publishing Goblin, LLC
Hello everyone!

Before I go too far with the 22nd Lord and all that, let's take a look at one of the final Lords coming in from czarfunkle!

There are just a few Lords you haven't seen-- The Alleyman, The Showman, and.... They Who Hunger.



They Who Hunger preside over the Longings Die, and they know longing intimately. Desire for touch, to be seen, for change, for movement, for anything out of reach. When you wish to know what is missing, what people desire in a reading, you include their die. And when their card comes up? Someone is starved-- but for what? That is the key question, isn't it?

I pushed czarfunkle to the edge with all the hands, but so it goes! I love hands in art, and artists hate to illustrate so many hands! 


The 22nd Lord & Die


So now, what I'm here to ask! Over this week we've seen money come in on the project, but about 2/3rds of backers on here have done their surveys and about 1/3rd of those people included extra add-ons. Considering this in total with how much we have to go in order to hit $300,000, I think we're likely to get about 260,000 before it peters out and we end at most. That's not going to be our 300,000, huh?

But that's okay! I'm including the 22nd die anyways, and we're picking some of the key parts of it together right here, right now.

The 22nd die is the Chaos Die.

In the comments below, I'd like to see your suggestions for two elements of the die! Then I will read these tonight and tomorrow, and on Saturday I will post a poll (or two polls if I can?) for us to vote to the final answers!

Question 1: Who is the Lord of the Chaos Die?
I've had people suggest the darned Happy Squirrel, and I think it could be fun to have a wild chaotic entity made up of parts of various things, or some eldritch horror. But I'm open to anyone's thoughts on who should be the lord of Chaos! In your answers, please feel free to name them with a title (like the other Lords-- instead of Loki for example, The Trickster would work), and explain who they are/how they look! I will take an assortment of these answers from you all to the poll Saturday.

Question 2: What are the die faces of the Chaos Die?
The Fate die of the original set is what I'm thinking about. With faces that make you remove the nearest die, and consider the implications of it missing-- faces that make you re-roll some dice-- faces that make you move the nearest die to the core of the reading-- etc. All in all, it makes changes to the reading, moves dice, and changes meanings. I'd consider a die face that makes you consider the nearest die in its opposite meaning-- or maybe if it's in the core it does that to everything! So many chaotic options. I'd love to see all your ideas. In your answers, I am looking for any number (1-infinity) of die face options. On Saturday, I will do a Google Form poll with the top 15 or so options, so that you can pick multiple when you vote in the end!

Thanks all!

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4 months ago

I suggest an 8-sided die for the chaos die to represent the 8 directions of chaos as depicted in the universal chaos symbol (which should also be one of the faces). The symbol is a dot with 8 arrows pointing out representing all directions on a 2D surface. But there are actually 8 orthogonal directions in 3D space so the number translates in both dimensions. Eight is also a power-of-two, so has some connection to binary systems and is special because it is the cube of the only even prime number. Another symbol could be the Greek symbol of Chaos, which is a key that looks a little like the English letter 'K'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbol_of_Chaos

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4 months ago

My first thought was a child lord. Nothing is more unpredictable than a young kid. Perhaps the title could be The Lord of Youth or The Toddler King. They are an eternally young (5-6 year old) child who appears as a human child but there is always something changing about them (sex, hair color, skin color, the placement of a birthmark). Sometimes they appear before someone almost the same with just the slightest different every time which can be very unnerving. You can never be sure of their mood which can change in an instant for seemingly no reason and their demands can vary wildly from a simple comforting hug to answering impossible riddles. As for die faces: A - Mine: A grabbing hand or a teddy bear/toy: The nearest dice now belongs to the Toddler King until they grow bored of it. It is removed from the current reading. Again!: A smiling face or clapping hands: The Toddler King is so delighted in the nearest dice outcome it’s effects happen twice or are magnified in someway Rage: A closed fist: The Toddler King is displeased for an unknown reason. Slam your fists on the table or shake the table/cloth where the reading is taking place. Any dice that flip from the chaos must be read in their new position and face. Boring!: Sleepy Zzz or a yawning face: You begin to read the die closest to The Toddler King but they don’t want to listen and/or fall asleep. You must read the closest die as fast as possible (perhaps in 30-60 seconds) and whatever you manage to divine in that time is the true reading. My Turn!: A grabbing hand or a meeple/pawn: The Toddler King wants a turn rolling the dice! Why do get to have all the fun? The Toddler King grabs the 5 most central dice and rerolls them. Hungry!: A wide open mouth: The Toddler king “eats” the nearest die/dice until they are satisfied, thus removing them from the reading.

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4 months ago

I mean, that would actually fit for me for the Chaos die (and its accompanying Lord)--I ran a campaign once where one adventurer had a Wand of Wonder, and one had a portable hole, and they picked up a taxidermied battle squirrel, and An Incident happened. Which was so ludicrous for the rest of the game a wandering monster for them was the Chaos Squirrel--a high-pitched screaming terror who had all the powers of a Wand of Wonder, but was also easily distracted. It was grand fun.

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4 months ago

I've been reading "Trickster makes this World" by Lewis Hyde. Serendipity. This is also Comment attempt #3.. ok 4 sighs.. because of Chaotic Deletion... Thanks, Universe of chaos for making me re-do this over and over... Mistress of Mischief. Traditionally the Trickster has been Male in most of history and folklore but let's subvert this with some "Loki Energy" as my wife likes to call it when I am expressing my deepest nature. Although I think an Amorphous gender-neutral entity would suffice, perhaps even representing both sides and its lack of firm relation to either would also be appropriate. I Envision an Octopus, the ultimate Clever Shapeshifter and Subversive agent, each arm taking on another animal form or Trickster nature, The Raven or Blue Jay, The Coyote or Fox, The Hare or Rabbit, The Spider, The Monkey, the slippery Salmon, The Net/Trap and Fire and or Tools as a potential image layout. Selected Wikipedia input for lazy consideration: Hynes and Doty, in Mythical Trickster Figures (1997) state that every trickster has several of the following six traits:[1] fundamentally ambiguous and anomalous deceiver and trick-player shape-shifter or master of disguise situation-inverter messenger and imitator of the gods sacred and lewd bricoleur Potential DIE faces: The Net - Trap maker - Trap Escaper, there's a lot that this could represent so I'll leave it ambiguous. Devil's Advocate-Polarity-Flip the script - Consider the other side of things. Purposely subverting the traditional interpretations. Portal-Doorway-Path finder- Transition. Specific implementation needs deep consideration. Fire-Tools-Light-Bringer-Inspiration - Copy- Mimicry- Taking on the skills and abilities or interpretations of other lord powers. I like the idea of flipping meanings just for the sake of it. Forcing re-rolls of a quadrant or specific dice in a direction just because seems like a Trickster move. Other influences to consider that I'd personally like to highlight Anansi - The spider trickster of African origin. He considers himself cunning enough to trick and outwit anyone, but is also proud, lazy and impulsive, which often proves his undoing. Pan - God of shepherds and flocks. He is a satyr: a creature that has the upper body of a man and the legs of a goat. In many stories, they talk of Pan, or just satyrs, in general, are known to play tricks on people, especially children, for their amusement. El-ahrairah - The Prince of Rabbits, or the "Prince with the Thousand Enemies"; the trickster folk hero of the rabbits in Watership Down. Sun Wukong - Irrepressible Monkey King of Chinese mythology, whose exploits are described in Journey to the West. Puss in Boots - A clever and magical cat who tricks a king into raising a lowborn miller to the station of a great noble, and defeats a shapeshifting ogre by tricking him into becoming a mouse. Prometheus - Tricks Zeus over sacrifices at Mecone, steals fire on behalf of mankind. Kitsune - In Japanese folklore, they are described as "tricksters" with no care for the concept of right or wrong. The Fair Folk in many European cultures. The Pink Panther - A character featured at the start of the film and the animated series of the same name. Hermes - Messenger of the gods in Greek mythology (or Mercury in Roman mythology), patron of travelers, boundaries, and thieves. Notably stole a herd of cattle from Apollo in his youth, but then invented the lyre and gave it to Apollo as payment. This truly was my third attempt at a comment, I've installed several "text box version saving software extensions" into my browser at this point. Out of sheer frustration. I will not be deterred from adding input!

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4 months ago

Kitsune (Japanese) is a fox, for those who don't know. Another Japanese animal character is the tanuki which is a magical, mischievous shape-shifter. https://mythus.fandom.com/wiki/Tanuki

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4 months ago

Master of Mischief seems to be a better Lord Title in Retrospect.

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4 months ago

I've been reading "Trickster makes this World" by Lewis Hyde. Serendipity. This is also Comment attempt #3 because of Chaotic Deletion... Thanks, Universe of chaos for making me re-do this over and over... Mistress of Mischief. Traditionally the Trickster has been Male in most of history and folklore but let's subvert this with some "Loki Energy" as my wife likes to call it when I am expressing my deepest nature. Although I think an Amorphous gender-neutral entity would suffice, perhaps even representing both sides and its lack of firm relation to either would also be appropriate. I Envision an Octopus, the ultimate Clever Shapeshifter and Subversive agent, each arm taking on another animal form or Trickster nature, The Raven or Blue Jay, The Coyote or Fox, The Hare or Rabbit, The Spider, The Monkey, the slippery Salmon, The Net/Trap and Fire and or Tools as a potential image layout. Selected Wikipedia input for lazy consideration: Hynes and Doty, in Mythical Trickster Figures (1997) state that every trickster has several of the following six traits:[1] fundamentally ambiguous and anomalous deceiver and trick-player shape-shifter or master of disguise situation-inverter messenger and imitator of the gods sacred and lewd bricoleur Potential DIE faces: The Net - Trap maker - Trap Escaper, there's a lot that this could represent so I'll leave it ambiguous. Devil's Advocate-Polarity-Flip the script - Consider the other side of things. Purposely subverting the traditional interpretations. Portal-Doorway-Path finder- Transition. Specific implementation needs deep consideration. Fire-Tools-Light-Bringer-Inspiration - Copy- Mimicry- Taking on the skills and abilities or interpretations of other lord powers. I like the idea of flipping meanings just for the sake of it. Forcing re-rolls of a quadrant or specific dice in a direction just because seems like a Trickster move. Other influences to consider that I'd personally like to highlight Anansi - The spider trickster of African origin. He considers himself cunning enough to trick and outwit anyone, but is also proud, lazy and impulsive, which often proves his undoing. Pan - God of shepherds and flocks. He is a satyr: a creature that has the upper body of a man and the legs of a goat. In many stories, they talk of Pan, or just satyrs, in general, are known to play tricks on people, especially children, for their amusement. El-ahrairah - The Prince of Rabbits, or the "Prince with the Thousand Enemies"; the trickster folk hero of the rabbits in Watership Down. Sun Wukong - Irrepressible Monkey King of Chinese mythology, whose exploits are described in Journey to the West. Puss in Boots - A clever and magical cat who tricks a king into raising a lowborn miller to the station of a great noble, and defeats a shapeshifting ogre by tricking him into becoming a mouse. Prometheus - Tricks Zeus over sacrifices at Mecone, steals fire on behalf of mankind. Kitsune - In Japanese folklore, they are described as "tricksters" with no care for the concept of right or wrong. The Fair Folk in many European cultures. The Pink Panther - A character featured at the start of the film and the animated series of the same name. Hermes - Messenger of the gods in Greek mythology (or Mercury in Roman mythology), patron of travelers, boundaries, and thieves. Notably stole a herd of cattle from Apollo in his youth, but then invented the lyre and gave it to Apollo as payment. This truly was my third attempt at a comment, I've installed several "text box version saving software extensions" into my browser at this point. Out of sheer frustration. I will not be deterred from adding input!

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4 months ago

That's a great book! And I second the El-ahrairah suggestion.

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4 months ago

Something from Discordianism might be appropriate. The Apple of Discord, maybe.

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4 months ago

So, I won't lie, and this is totally just my bias. But a long while ago, I suggested a die based on the mythical Kamaitachi. The reason I did, was because it is a trickster, based on wind, and is known as a slightly chaotic lil' thing. I bring it up, because wind is chaotic. It flows and swirls, and sort of does whatever it wants. It flows over and around things, and you just have to "Put up with it". I feel with the chaos die, that's sort of a fitting thing. It may feel WEIRD to move dice, or to slide them into a different spot, or re-roll them, or other almost game-like effects... But that's the point. Your reading must adapt WITH it, and must flow like the wind, and whatever the chaos die brings, you just have to 'make it fit'. I dunno if this interpretation would be enough to sway ya, buuuut I would also say that a kamaitachi is a swirly little wind weasel, which I personally prefer above a squirrel, buuuuut again, this is totally just my own bias-arse'd interpretation! Plus, being a mythological creature, a Japanese demon or "Yokai", or just basically a spirit, I can imagine some eldritch horror thrown in, like it's ribs showing or numerous eyes, or perhaps some other fun stuff! All a kamaitachi TENDS to be depicted as is a trio of weasels with scythes for hands riding on the wind, so it's pretty malleable for interpretation! As for faces? I would say that a re-roll, a reposition, swapping position with another die are all fun... But another fun effect that I would also think is a -great- way to get someone who's being read in? Let one of the faces allow the reader to personally take a die and put it somewhere else/change the face. In my own eyes, I would say that it gives you a chance to ask the person being read something: "What made you pick that die? What made you pick that face?" That could invite the person reading to talk more and give you an insight into them a bit more. Personally, when I do readings, I like to get the person to talk a bit more. Could be about the reading, could be about anything else. Sometimes it's just to get the person to relax a bit more, other times it's because there feels like something missing, and I feel like if I'm going to do a reading on someone, that it doesn't hurt to let them feel a little more included. At worst, it lets them just put their hands on things and give them a feeling of slight control. At best, it might lead to more rich insights. So... For me? I like to imagine the Chaos die, and it's faces, as the Kamaitachi swirling away with the die, playing it's lil' prank, and then looking to see where things went and how it looks now. (Sorry to wax on, but hope this at least is interesting!)

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Ro
4 months ago

my first thought was an eldritch horror too

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4 months ago

The Possible, or The Potential, this 'Lord' is a child. There's little in this universe as avatar for unchecked potentiality than a small child, in that present as a child, but also as the unknown possibilities of the general and their personal future.

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